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At SXSW, Garth Brooks Sees The Constants In A Changing Industry

Mar 19, 2017
Originally published on March 20, 2017 9:13 am

The South by Southwest music festival is well-established as a venue where up-and-coming artists get discovered. But it also offers a chance to hear from the music industry's icons — like veteran country star Garth Brooks, who delivered a keynote address at the Austin Convention Center during SXSW this week. Brooks kicked off his career in the 1980s, and he's still breaking records and selling out shows. Over the years, he's solidified himself as one of the best-selling solo artists of all time. Most recently, he's been traveling throughout North America on a three-year tour with his wife, fellow country singer Trisha Yearwood.

NPR's Michel Martin caught up with Brooks at SXSW to discuss changes in the industry, the ways listeners connect with certain songs and the relationship between music and political polarization. Hear their conversation at the audio link, and read on for an edited transcript.

Michel Martin: This festival focuses on music, technology and film, and it often talks about disruption and change in all of those industries. How has the industry changed since you've been involved in it?

Garth Brooks: This show ain't long enough for that. You gotta remember when I — when we hit, it was vinyl, cassettes — CDs weren't even out yet, right? I remember CDs were coming out right when the first album came out. So my first album that they gave me — that was free — cost me 300 bucks, because I ran home so excited and realized I don't have a [CD player]. I had to go out and buy one to hear the first CD. So it's been an unbelievable change throughout, but the one thing that remains constant is the music and how that music affects people.

I'm very fortunate to be involved with songs like "The Dance," "If Tomorrow Never Comes" for that. Someone's going to pull you over in the grocery store and say, "I lost my son and we played "The Dance" at his [funeral]" — and then, "To Make You Feel My Love," "Shameless," people are going to pull you over and go, "That was the first song at our wedding." "Friends In Low Places" — you don't want to know the story they pull you over for that. It's so cool that the music kinda lets you be in their life. And it's been doing [it] that way now for 25 years.

In addition to being a singer, you also have an MBA; you obviously wanted to understand and master the business side as well. Did you have an epiphany moment where you realized that the business is one thing and the art is another, or was that something that you always felt? Because a lot of artists are really angry about some of the changes in the industry.

Well, they should be angry about them, but the artists should be angry for the songwriters. Those are the people that are getting left behind. We talk about movies, we talk about music, we talk about gaming. If it's not for the people that write it and create it, we don't have it — and if we do have it, it sucks. It's very stale, it's very white, it's just — bleh. And that can't be. So if anybody should be angry, it should be the songwriters.

Let's talk a little bit about streaming. You resisted it for a while, but now you have an exclusive deal with Amazon. A lot of artists, especially the big names like yourself, have these exclusive deals. Some people feel that that makes it harder for that 12-year-old on an allowance to access the music that he or she loves.

100 percent agreed. For me, we're going to consume music any way we can. 'Cause we love music — that's what I love about the human race.

You're talking about a dad of three daughters, and they were raised like I were raised: Once they got old enough to drive, they got a job. And so they had three summer jobs before they went to college. ... So they'd consume music however they can. They had money they could spend, but they didn't spend it on streaming. Radio, terrestrial radio, they just tore it up. And then anything that was the vibe anywhere, YouTube was the next place that they would go.

What I think I also hear you saying is that people will pay for the things that they value, and if they value it, then they will find a way to pay for it.

Yeah, I think so. And you gotta remember what things are worth. ... When you talk about a song that means everything to you — I'm trying to think of a song for me and Ms. Yearwood that just means everything, and it might be [The Righteous Brothers' "Unchained Melody"] off the movie Ghostwhen they're doing that clay thing, it's one of the coolest moments in movie history. You think about that song — that song's got to be worth more than 99 cents to me in my life, right?

So I think the thing with albums for me, why I love them, is for 10 bucks — price of a movie ticket, or maybe a little more — you can see that movie through music a thousand times if you want. ... But if you understand how music works, if you understand what that does for the songwriters, that's what makes songwriters survive long enough until they get to write the song that changes the world. And I think music is that powerful. So I'll stand behind that any day.

At the press conference you gave at SXSW, you talked about a song that you wrote in response to the LA riots, "We Shall Be Free."

We just re-released it. It's just showing up at all the concerts now. Signs [that say] "We Shall Be Free," and you're like, what's going on?

What is going on?

I think that song resurges when there is unrest, and right now, I don't know if we've ever been more polar opposite than we are right now within our own country. The thing that kills me is if we've got 10 things that mean something to us, if we don't agree on all 10 things, if we disagree on one of them, we can't be in the same room together. When did that happen? When did it not happen that, "hey man, I don't agree with you on this point, [but] I agree with you on this point, this point, this point, let's exist"?

It seems that certain genres are now aligned with certain political points of view. It's not a secret that a lot of people in hip-hop and R&B and a lot of the indie folks seem to lean left. A lot of people in country seem to lean right. Is there a way in which the music industry is actually abetting the polarization and not bridging it?

Well, I hope not, because for me — let's just talk about what I know, and that's Garth Brooks as an artist. There is no left and right. There is what is, and then wherever they pigeonhole you or put a label on you, that's their deal. But what you gotta do is you just gotta speak from the heart. And [in] "We Shall Be Free," "when the last thing we notice is the color of skin, and the first thing we look for is the beauty within," there is no left and right there — that's just, I'm going to base what I think about you on how you treat me and how I treat you. And to me, I don't think there's a fairer system than that. So I'm gonna stay away from the left or right, not because I'm afraid of alienating somebody, because I am always gonna tell you what I feel. And if it puts me in that left or right category in your mind, or if it sets me apart, whatever, it's going to be what it's going to be.

What are you excited about these days?

That's a broad question, because I'm going to talk about my babies and I'm going to talk about being Ms. Yearwood's husband. Those are the things that I'm excited about. Miss my mom and dad. And I love God and Jesus, and that's it. But you want to talk about music?

Yeah, what's keeping you motivated musically?

I think [playing] live is always wonderful. Love to see the faces that we're seeing again, and love to see these faces that weren't born last time we were touring. That's sweet, it's fun and it's neat to see all those faces singing every word of every verse of every song. That gets you up every day and it makes you feel like you're 20 every day. And then just the creation of content, always. Because I am a firm believer that what's going to go on is what's going to go on, but you cannot stop creating. Because that's what I think you're put down here to do.

Radio producer Liz Baker and web producer Rachel Horn contributed to this story.

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MICHEL MARTIN, HOST:

While we've been here at South by Southwest, we've heard from a number of up-and-coming artists. But now we're going to turn to an icon.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "FRIENDS IN LOW PLACES")

GARTH BROOKS: (Singing) I've got friends in low places where the whiskey drowns and the beer chases my blues away.

MARTIN: Garth Brooks launched his career in the '80s, and he's still breaking records and selling out shows. He has become one of the best-selling solo artists of all time. This week, he had a keynote speech during South by Southwest. He also hosted a free concert. And he was nice enough to make time to speak with us now. Thank you so much for joining me.

BROOKS: You kidding me? Thank you. It's very sweet.

MARTIN: Now, this festival focuses on music, technology and film. And it often talks about the subject of disruption and change in all of those industries. How has the industry changed since you've been involved in it?

BROOKS: (Laughter) Oh, you don't have a - this show ain't long enough for that. You've got to remember, when I - when we hit, it was vinyl, cassettes. CDs weren't even out yet, right? So then I remember CDs were coming out right when the first album came out. So my first album that they gave me that was free cost me 300 bucks because I ran home so excited I didn't realize I don't have a DVD player. So I had to go out and buy one to hear the first CD of what we got. So it's been an unbelievable change through it - out.

But the one thing that remains constant is the music and how that music affects people. I'm very fortunate to be involved with songs like "The Dance," "If Tomorrow Never Comes." For that someone's going to pull you over in the grocery store and say, I lost my son and we played "The Dance" at his - and then "To Make You Feel My Love," "Shameless," people are going to pull you over and go, that was the first song at our wedding, all right? "Friends In Low Places," you don't want to know the story they pull you over for that. But it's so cool that the music kind of gets to be - let you be in their life. And it's been doing it that way now for 25 years.

MARTIN: How did you come to that insight? And I do want to mention here that in addition to the singing thing, you also have a B.A. and you have an MBA. And I wondered at what point - because you obviously wanted to understand and master the business side as well - at what point did you have a - sort of an epiphany moment where you realized that the business is one thing, the art is another? Or was that something that you always felt? Because a lot of artists, just to be honest, are really angry about some of the changes in the industry.

BROOKS: Well, they should be angry about them. But the artists should be angry for the songwriters. Those are the people that are getting left behind. And I'm telling you right now, we talk about movies, we talk about music, we talk about gaming. If it's not for the people that write it and create it, we don't have it. And if we do have it, it sucks. It's very stale. It's very white. It's just bleh (ph), right? And that can't be. So if anybody should be angry, it should be the songwriters.

MARTIN: What I think I also hear you saying is that people will pay for the things that they value. And if they value it, then they will find a way to pay for it.

BROOKS: Yeah. I mean...

MARTIN: ...Is that what you're saying?

BROOKS: I think so. And you got to remember what things are worth. There was a gentleman out there that asked a question about albums versus singles. And when you talk about a song that means everything to you - you know, I'm trying to think of a song for me that just means everything. And it might be off the movie "Ghost" when they're doing that clay thing. It's one of the coolest moments in movie history. You think about that song, that song's got to be worth more than 99 cents to me in my life, right?

So I think the thing with albums for me, why I love them, is for 10 bucks, price of a movie ticket or maybe a little - you know, a little more, you can see that movie through music a thousand times if you want for the same price. It's all one upfront. But what - if you understand how music works, if you understand what that does for the songwriters, that's what makes songwriters survive long enough until they get to write the song that changes the world. And I think music is that powerful. So I'll stand behind that any day.

MARTIN: And also, I think I also heard you say that one of the things that streaming does is it help people - it helps people to rediscover songs that perhaps were not well-received when they first came out, or it kind of - sometimes it helps them find a new audience.

BROOKS: Yeah, I don't know about that. I might have miscommunicated or you might have misunderstood me because for me, the thing that streaming doesn't do that I love about terrestrial radio - how many songs are your favorite songs that wasn't your favorite song when you heard it first? It's like, oh, that song just doesn't - eh (ph). But the next time you heard it, you were working or something, it's on the radio, you couldn't get to the dial to turn it. There was a line in there, oh, that's pretty cool. And then that song becomes one of your favorite songs ever.

Well, in streaming that's not going to happen. Alexa, play me this. I don't like it. Boom, next. You're not going to hear that song again. So that's what I love about terrestrial radio. I also love the fact that - have you ever gone to your streamer and go, play me a song I don't know? Right.

MARTIN: Well, I wanted to ask you about that. I wanted to ask you about a song that you talked about at the press conference that you just rereleased that - you wrote it in response to the LA riots.

BROOKS: Yeah, "We Shall Be Free."

MARTIN: "We Shall Be Free."

BROOKS: We just rereleased it. It's just showing up at all the concerts now. Signs - we shall be free - and you're like, what's going on?

MARTIN: What is going on?

BROOKS: I think that song resurges when there is unrest. And right now, I don't know - I don't know if we've ever been more polar opposite than we are right now within our own country. The thing that kills me is if we've got 10 things that mean something to us, if we don't agree on all 10 things, if we disagree on one of them, we can't be in the same room together. When did that happen?

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "WE SHALL BE FREE")

BROOKS: (Singing) When the last thing we notice is the color of skin and the first thing we look for is the beauty within, when the skies and oceans are clean again, then we shall be free. And we shall be free. And we shall be free.

When did it not happen that hey, man, I don't agree with you on this point, I agree with you on this point and this point, let's exist - right? So...

MARTIN: Well, I wanted to ask you about that because I wanted to see - it seems that certain genres are now kind of aligned with certain political points of view...

BROOKS: Right.

MARTIN: ...And other genres are aligned with other points of view. I mean, it's not a secret that a lot of people in hip-hop and R&B and a lot of the indie folks seem to lean left, a lot of people in country seem to lean right. And the question I have for you is - is there a way in which the music industry is actually abetting the polarization and not bridging it?

BROOKS: Well, I hope not because for me - well, I guess music has always been a place to do your platform. Let's just talk about what I know. And that's Garth Brooks as an artist. There is no left and right. There is what is. And then wherever you kind of - they pigeonhole you or put a label on you, that's their deal. But what you got to do is you just got to speak from the heart. And we shall be free when the last thing we notice is the color of skin and the first thing we look for is the beauty within - there is no left and right there. That's just I'm going to base what I think about you on how you treat me and how I treat you.

And to me, I don't think there's a fairer system than that. So I'm going to stay away from the left or right not because I'm afraid of alienating somebody because I am always going to tell you what I feel. And if it puts me in that left or right category in your mind or if it sets me apart, whatever, it's going to be what it's going to be.

MARTIN: What are you excited about now these days? I mean, you've done - I don't know. We don't even have time to list all your accolades. We don't have time to...

BROOKS: Now, that's a broad question because I'm going to talk about my babies and I'm going to talk about being Miss Yearwood's husband. Those are the things that I'm excited about. I miss my mom and dad. And I love God and Jesus. And that's it. But if you want to talk about music, what I'm excited about...

MARTIN: Yeah, what's keeping you motivated musically?

BROOKS: I think live is always wonderful. I love to see the faces that we're seeing again. And I love to see these faces that weren't born last time we were touring. That's sweet. It's fun. And it's neat to see all those faces singing every word of every verse of every song. That gets you up every day, and it makes you feel like you're 20 every day. And then just the creation because I am a firm believer that what's going to go on is what's going to go on, but you cannot stop creating because that's what I think you're put down here to do.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "AIN'T GOING DOWN ('TIL THE SUN COMES UP)")

BROOKS: (Singing) Nine o'clock the show is ending, but the fun is just beginning. She knows he's anticipating, but she's going to keep him waiting. Grab a bite to eat and then they're heading to the honkey tonk. But loud crowds and line dancing just ain't what they really want. Drive out to the boondocks and park down by the creek, and where it's George Strait 'til real late and dancing cheek to cheek.

MARTIN: That was multi-platinum-selling recording artist Garth Brooks. We spoke with him at the convention center in Austin, Texas, where he gave a keynote speech on Friday at the South by Southwest festival. He also surprised Austin residents with a couple of free performances throughout the weekend.

(SOUNDBITE OF GARTH BROOKS SONG, "AIN'T GOING DOWN ('TIL THE SUN COMES UP")

MARTIN: For Sunday, that's ALL THINGS CONSIDERED from NPR News. I'm Michel Martin. We've had a great time bringing you all the ideas, music and people we encountered here IN Austin and South by Southwest. We know we just scratched the surface, but trust me, we crammed in as much as we could.

Our Austin production team included Gemma Watters, Agardenesh Ashadre (ph) and Dustin De Soto. Producers Denise Guerra, Victoria Whitley, Alexi Horowitz-Ghazi and Janaya Williams were back in Washington. Liz Baker directed, and our intern is Scott Greenstone. The program was edited by Ahmad Omar and Jennifer Liberto. Our executive producer is Kenya Young. A big shout-out to member station KUT for hosting us and Texas Standard for letting us use their awesome studio. Our Austin technical directors are David Alvarez and Michael Crawford, and on the D.C. side Jay Sizz (ph). Garrett T. Capps created our special for Texas theme music this week. We also want to thank Josh Rogosin and Nickolai Hammar of NPR Music for their invaluable production help.

And last but certainly not least, thanks to all of the staff and volunteers at South by Southwest who helped us navigate the conference and the city. We're back in Washington, D.C., next week. And until, then we hope you have a great week. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.